• bdonvr@thelemmy.club
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    19 days ago

    When you start making defenses that involve distinguishing between pedophilia and hebephilia you lost a long time ago.

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      18 days ago

      Technically, pedophilia is considered a mental disorder. it’s listed in the DSM-V. Pedophiles could be considered mentally ill.

      Hebophilia and ephebophilia aren’t illnesses. They are crimes.

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    19 days ago

    There’s a difference between a 15-year-old and a 5-year-old, you know?

    She should not be able to walk down the street without constant reminder of making this statement about victims of sex trafficking. Absolute monster of a person.

  • TipRing@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    It is so predictable that conservatives would end up in “Pedophilia isn’t that bad” once it became undeniable that Great Leader raped little girls.

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      19 days ago

      funny that QAnon stuff circled around Dems having pedo-leanings and that was an OUTRAGE yet now it turns out to be OK, Humane even… wtf? Their morals exist only to stick it to anyone opposing them and they evaporate the second one of their own is caught doing exact thing

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        19 days ago

        Q-anon was never about children.

        It was always about the fantasy headline: “Uneducated Everyman Uncovers Massive, World-Altering Secrets and Becomes Huge Hero by Decoding Publicly Published Materials for Unique Connections and Number Puzzles”

        They are entirely damaged or dumb or religiously brainwashed people who are so deeply insecure about their lack of factual understanding of the world, that Q-anon became their “gateway” to some kind of real way to impact the world and be recognized for something good.

        When a family member of mine fell down this pitcher-plant of mental illness and delusion, I went deep and hard into learning everything I could about the movement and conspiracy culture. Sadly my family member could not be pulled out and was at one point arrested for trying to… abduct girls. Seriously. He rationalized that he was trying to “save” them.

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          18 days ago

          I read somewhere that people like conspiracy theories because it gives them a sense that they know secret information that others don’t know.

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            19 days ago

            I wish I could say my family member was my only exposure to conspiracy derangement, but I’ve know a handful of them.

            And it’s ABSOLUTELY what you said. These are people who don’t understand things. They don’t have a grasp of scale of things, they don’t know math and numbers and don’t get how populations work and how systems work, from city infrastructure to political institutions. They get severely insecure or anxious when something comes up that makes them feel that insecurity… like almost any news story or political scandal.

            So they write their own story using magic and mysticism and ideas they pulled from grifters online basically telling children’s stories and fairy tales about flat worlds and goblins who steal children.

            Having a “secret” story makes them feel knowledgeable, like they have something they can teach others, a way to be relevant and respected. Even if it’s just by other delusional people.

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              19 days ago

              There is also a kind of reverse virtue signaling to each other about how “edgy” they are when it comes to being steeped in/buying into what they think is insider knowledge…

              For example, the ones that claim they are flat-earthers - I honestly think many of them might not really believe it, but use it as a way to play the kid skipping science class and smoking out behind the school, basically as a way to raise up their middle finger to annoy the people they think are just being schoolmarms: “you’re not going to tell ME what to believe, I did my own research!”

              The reality is, anyone they think of as a schoolmarm (“normie”) just mostly would rather ignore these asshats, and just roll our eyes at their juvenile and backward ways. Sadly, what these idiots do in large groups ends up harming everyone - e.g., not vaccinating, being terrible at reasoning skills, basic numeracy and literacy, while at the same time being able to vote for the Republicans.

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      19 days ago

      Yes, it’s technically Hebephilia or Ephebophilia. That doesn’t change the level of disdain.

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        19 days ago

        Yes, it’s technically

        Exactly the same if I started to call driving with a blood alcohol level between 0.8% and 25% “happy fun time driving” and pretended that means it’s no longer the same as DUI…

        People can make up all the terms they want, don’t change the law tho.

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        19 days ago

        technically Hebephilia or Ephebophilia

        You’ve been made mod of r/Libertarian

        That doesn’t change the level of disdain.

        You’ve been removed as mod for r/Libertarian

      • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works
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        18 days ago

        The best explanation I have seen was that it’s like death metal sure there’s varying types and styles within death metal but at the end of the day the only ones who really care about those distinctions are death metal fans.

        (My apology to any death metal fan offended by the comparison)

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          18 days ago

          Being sexually attracted to 17 year old females makes someone a reprehensible creep?

          Most straight men probably fit into that.

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            17 year olds still tend to be physically less developed… But even if they’re not, if you’re more than a handful of years older than the 17 year old, having a sexual relationship with them is still exploitative since they’re still mentally (both emotionally and reasoning abilities) immature.

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              17 days ago

              I agree.

              But being attracted to someone is distinct from having a sexual relationship with them. I can be attracted to a married person, a mentally ill or incompetent person, or even a minor. It’s not necessarily wrong unless I engage with them.

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      18 days ago

      No, it’s that he was a hebephile instead of a pedophile.

      There is a distinction between the two, they are both still fucking bad.

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          No, I’m not — I was disgusted to hear Megan Kelly try to draw some kind of positive distinction between “barely legal types” and “children”.

          Personally I don’t consider the distinction between terms to be meaningful beyond human need to categorize. A 12 to 16 year old is still a fucking child, a 17 year old is still a child. There are plenty of arguments to make about whether 18 year olds are adults.

          That being said, nothing about my comment suggests that I support the message they’re trying to portray. Maybe read the entire comment before calling me a conservative next time, ok?