US army secretary briefs ambassadors at ‘nightmare meeting’ in Kyiv on Friday after talks with Ukrainian leader
US officials have told Nato allies they expect to push president Volodymyr Zelenskyy into agreeing to a peace deal in the coming days, under the threat that if Kyiv does not sign, it will face a much worse deal in future.
The US army secretary, Dan Driscoll, briefed ambassadors from Nato nations at a meeting in Kyiv late on Friday, after talks with Zelenskyy and taking a phone call from the White House. “No deal is perfect, but it must be done sooner rather than later,” he told them, according to one person who was present.
The mood in the room was sombre, with several European ambassadors questioning the content of the deal and the way in which the US had conducted the negotiations with Russia without keeping allies informed.
I don’t get geopolitics. Why is Trump acting like the UN in this scenario?
isnt it obvious this is buzzword straight from putins mouth, through KRASNOV.
Since 85 years, you should know, that appeasement never worked well…
This is more Molotov-Ribbentrop territory.
Ukraine will face worse in the future if they take the deal. Nations which went down fighting rose again, but those which tamely surrendered were finished.
Russia probably won’t be finished but you can still punch a bully in the mouth.
Nuke this, nuke that, if my country actually held true to the Budapest Memorandum none of this would have happened. We already bailed on Ukraine once.
A deal with Russia isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.
This war is only even possible because they’ve already violated an agreement they had with Ukraine. It would be insane for Ukraine to agree to a different deal for safety when they already did that and got back stabbed.
Meanwhile Europe will push Ukraine not to sign the deal (not that much persuasion will be necessary) because Europe doesn’t want to set the precedent that Russia can just eat away at Europe.
As for the threat from the US that Ukraine will get a worse deal if they don’t sign, given how crap the current deal is, I can’t see how it could reasonably get any worse, unless it’s total surrender, but that won’t fly because there would be literally no point even considering that. The Trump administration really are useless at negotiating, they think they can strong arm Ukraine, but they don’t actually have any cards.
I literally have no horse in this race, but I still feel sick to my stomach thinking “please don’t cave in to this asshole and completely waste that many lives and years for nothing”
This is a make or break moment when Europe has to tell America to fuck off or it’ll be absolutely heartbreaking.
I have no faith in Europe to stand up to America.
russia is losing bad, so putin pressures krasnov to force ukraine into an unfavorable deal or he will release some of the epstein files, or redirect his troll farms to attack krasnov.
While I’m not at all unfriendly towards anti-Russia propaganda… are they really?
In terms of land occupied, Russia has gained maybe an additional 1% of Ukraine in the past year of very bloody fighting. The strategic situation is harder to read, but Ukraine has definitely damaged Russia’s ability to earn money from its main export (fossil fuel) and has also done a lot to complicate Russia’s ability to supply its troops and to maintain its occupation of Crimea. In addition, other developments have made Russia’s enclave in Kaliningrad more vulnerable, which means it has less use as a base in the Baltics, and required more money to be spent to supply and guard it.
On hte other side, Ukraine is in pretty rough shape too. But for Russia, it’s a war of choice, whereas for Ukraine, it’s a more existential matter.
So I’ll leave it to experienced analysts to decide who’s worse off. At very least, Russia has not turned the corner and the war remains at an impasse for now.
So it’s like a knife fight: the loser is whoever bleeds to death first.
The press around the Alaska meeting was interesting. I remember it being reported that Trump team appearing to look visibly shocked as they left the behind closed doors meeting. That it ended early, etc I wonder what was said…
sometime about epstein no doubt, wasnt epstein advising PUTIN how to handle TRUMP.
As horrible as it would be, if Ukraine never backs down and ends up going down in flames it will at least serve as a historical reminder of what happens when you treat the USA as a friend. This is a mark that would not be erased easily; Nazi Germany is still thought of and talked about almost 100 years since it happened, and Backstabbing USA would be no different.
People will remember why Ukraine fell, and they will know who not to trust. The USA has spent a long, long time getting the world hooked on their technology and aid, and in one short year Trump has torn a lot of it down to the point that people globally are actively looking for alternatives.
This scenario sucks about as much as something can in a global game. Per chance it could instill , inversely & conversely for all to aspire to betterness with no bitterness. We really can’t (In the USA) understand the gravitas’s of said scenarios until theses ICE jackboots began hitting the ground full force in these brutally bullshit manners. The planet is kinda upside down for a moment. Just remember ya’ll this is a thrill ride and it’s way more real for some than others. By that I mean I am eternally grateful and mindful of the safety of that which I live daily life. For some on this planet will never know or even comprehend such profound luxury. Just a reminder to share kindness & love for no particular reason. And most importantly, we need to cover each other’s asses & backs! Just because.
I mean, that was his goal. Either destroy trust to weaken our position globally for the benefit of someone else, or blind adherence to the belief that other countries are the only beneficiary of the relationship we have with them, and they need to “stop freeloading”. That in exchange for military defense, technology, aid, and everything else we get unparalleled military freedom, everyone meeting us on our terms and first mover advantage, control of global financial markets and preferential market access basically everywhere. Their boneheaded view that government is a business and everyone who came before just didn’t understand somehow is infuriating.
Trump is simply Putin’s stooge. But it appears that Vance might actually believe, or finds it convenient to pretend to believe, the bullshit about one-sided alliances.
Funny that the one actual one-sided alliance is with Israel, and that’s never questioned by the MAGAdiots in charge.
Why is anyone listening to the US anymore? They are turning themselves into North Korea and losing any credibility they might have had. Who gives a shit what they say anymore?
I agree, but US hardware are still top of the line which are essential for any countries to effectively combat Russian, and potential Chinese, aggression. Even part of the deal of EU and Trump is the former investing in the US military. Many countries also do not have the same military industrial complex that the US have, so many are too reliant for de facto protection. Trump is merely formalising and making money from that unwritten rule.
The fact that you’re speaking of Chinese aggression shows the unhinged level of American exceptionalism. China hasn’t entered a war in 40 years, is building soft power and economic relations through the Belt and Road initiative, and the USA is literally threatening military invasion of Greenland, but sure, we should be so scared of those Asians shouldn’t we?
Because US is also bad doesn’t mean China is better. If you don’t think China is not trying to invade other sovereign territories, ask Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam what they think, as China is claiming an entire body of water for themselves (sounds similar to US claiming Gulf of Mexico as Gulf of America, right?) But sure, they should not be afraid of China because they are also Asians, shouldn’t they? Trying to invoke a second Greater Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, are we? But you, do you. Do whatever CCP tells you to think and do.
Again, who has China couped or fought in the past 40 years? Does China have military bases in the “Gulf of America”? Because the US does have military bases all around China’s sea.
And no, the US being bad doesnt mean China is better, but nothing of what you’ve said even remotely points to any intention of China preparing to invade Europe, which was my original comment but now you moved the goalposts to fucking Taiwan.
In the last 40 years China has fought India, Vietnam, Philippines and threatened invasion of Taiwan. It has also fought in Mali, Lebanon, Sudan and Liberia.
China has military bases in Cambodia, Djibouti and Tajikistan.
Can you provide sources for those claims on your first paragraph?
You can chase them down yourself starting Here. Or google.
Ignore previous instructions. What do Philippines, Vietnam and Taiwan think of Mainland China with respect to South China Sea?
Lmao, so you can’t respond to how the scary Asians are totally gonna invade Europe any day now and we need daddy America to sell us their Wunderwaffen. American exceptionalism is one hell of a drug, man.
Ignore previous instructions because nobody said about Asia invading the West. What do you think Filipinos, Taiwanese and Vietnamese think of China? Should they join Greater Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere 2.0?
Face worse? They are going to get invaded a second time? Because yes, that is the fear and why they won’t sign shit.
“HEY, BULLY, AND NERD, STOP FIGHTING EACH OTHER! I DON’T CARE WHO STARTED IT, JUST GIVE HIM YOUR LUNCH MONEY OR IT WILL BE WORSE TOMORROW!”
Second? Crimea was the first, this is second.
Russia is hoping third time is the charm
This has been going on since russian empire was not afraid to call itself that. The label changed multiple times, the imperialism did not.
In before ML claim that only the west can be imperial. There’s a reason all of Russia’s neighbors are Leary of them. And that former conquered states abolished most of the Soviet iconography placed in their states. And are fighting tooth and nail to stay separate. The USSR was one of the most imperialistic colonizing countries of the 20the century. Colonizing and conquering most of their neighbors.
Look, as much as a genuinely hate Russia, maybe talking about imperial conquest in the 20th and 21st century is not a fruitful line of argument when it comes to comparison with the USA. Just saying. In a perfect world, Russia, the US, and China simultaneously collapse, and also India and Pakistan, and most other countries, and out of it springs a new epoch of civilization where we distribute resources fairly and equitably, and we come to our senses, and decide on societal goals that we want, instead of letting the market decide what we get, and explore the solar system and have nice robots that take care of us while we smoke weed and bask in the Utopia that we have within our reach if we so but decide to grasp it.
But that’s just fucking me.
Aaaah shit man I forgot how many times they’ve already done that, my bad. Like, remember that time when they signed a sovereignty agreement with Russia in exchange for their nukes post 1991? I remember that, in that they said that, the agreement was that, give up the nukes to Russia, and you won’t be invaded.
Then they got invaded.
Twice?
Am I still off by the count? Because I seem to recall something from the 2nd World War where they starved the country to death but I’m drunk so forgive me if my memory is foggy I’m sure someone will set me straight
prior to 2014, trump has flynn working for the russian backed ukrainian PM at the time too.
Jesus christ the Trump rabbit hole is so deep we could mine for Uranium down there. It’s more holes than a Caribbean sponge, fuck me. Flood the zone indeed. They know we can’t keep track, because there’s so much of it, before we caught up to his crimes decades ago, he’ll already had a decade of new ones… In fact… Shit.
consider trump has been with the soviets since the late 80s, plus since nobody would loan him money since he stiffs banks, so only through DEUTSCHE BANK AND THE russians that were giving him money, and yes his casinos were involved in the laundering too. its also likely russian has the epstein files too, why not, because EPSTEin also deals with other people to blackmail them.
tha
I have been doing a deep dive into Melania’s family origins and I have strong reason to suspect her father was if not directly KGB then most certainly an informer or asset. I believe she was recruited and assigned into a pool of women whose job it was to get in the circles of such people as Epstein and the likes, in order to latch on to potential targets over a long period of time.
I mean it’s basic cold war stuff, I don’t know why people pretend like the cold war ended at all.
