‘Number of our deserters is too high’: Ukrainians flee fight against Russia
White people white peopling
i love reading the comments on posts like these :3
What’s with all the “cope” comments?
I’m shocked by how many people genuinely don’t understand the difference between is and ought
Same, all the impotent hostility of a wasp hive in a hydraulic press
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He said he chose to desert after realising how perfunctory and ineffective his training was for real combat, and that he would inevitably become a front-line stormtrooper with no chances of survival.
“There’s zero training. They don’t care that I won’t survive the very first attack,” Tymofey said, referring to the drill sergeants who were training him in April after police rounded him up in central Kyiv.
He claimed that his trainers were mostly preoccupied with preventing desertions from the centre, which was surrounded by a 3-metre (9.8 ft) high concrete wall covered with barbed wire.
Warhammer 40K is not an instruction manual, guys
People don’t want to die in a ditch for the interests of some dudes that sit in comfortable chairs and just watch? Those are worldolds
“Even in Russia, there aren’t that many soldiers going AWOL,” Valentyn Manko, top commander of storm troops, told the Ukrainian Pravda on Saturday.
Yeah no, that is bullshit. Wherever there is war, there is desertion. Nobody wants to die for their country.
Your quote doesn’t say there isn’t any as you imply, of course there is. Water is wet.
Im saying there is fuckloads of desertion
And do you have any evidence at all
One should consider that Russia generally uses volunteers while Ukraine generally relies on conscripts.
You’re fuckin high homie.
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Lol bye
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“Anyone who disagrees with what the state department says isn’t a real person”
You guys are in for a very rude awakening
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Okay so quit repeating state department thought-terminating cliches about the inhumanity of anyone who disagrees with you. At this point you all do it, you all get so defensive, and it’s fuckin embarassing. Grow up and have an uncomfortable conversation like an adult.
Lol stay stupid patriot
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delusional
You’re both idiots arguing on the fucking Internet jfc. Step back and look at that exchange, the both of you.
Funny how this is the only source for the claim.
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HamasRuzzian propaganda!!”Cope
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World news Lemmy definitely has a pro Russia, anti Ukraine bias. Cherry picked articles every day.
I can’t imagine why anyone would want Ukraine to fail so badly or celebrate any negative press about them unless they’re a paid Russian troll.
Your framing is extremely dishonest. We simply recognize the one itable outcome and wish western governments and the Nazi captured Ukraine regime would stop pressing unwilling people into a clearly unwinnable war. We have been correct about this position from the start.
People “want Ukraine to fail so badly” and therefore celebrating negative press, because IT IS failing so badly. And for some, like me, this was clear from day one, that is to say 22nd February 2014. And it was clear from the get go that it didn’t even stand a remote chance by 2022, despite heavy weapons support from NATO, which means, NATO is now failing badly as well.
And I’m part of those nations so I’m not happy about seeing my nation’s economy fail and keep failing worse and worse, while everyone here is still heading West while it should be looking East if it wants economic progress.
In fact, I’d argue that even Russia is still looking way too much Westwards.
The global pace of cultural change towards socialism at this moment is at a snail’s pace while economically socialist China has already won hands down and is only advancing further at an accelerating rapid pace while even it’s neighbors are pretending that this is some kind of fluke that will magically disappear and they can just ignore it and even aim for further capitalism.
It’s complete madness.This is utter destruction for Ukraine and be extremely costly for the EU, the UK and to a lesser extend the US.
And it’s not even the only mistake we’re making in the EU, because we’re currently making costly mistake after costly mistake.
And the longer you’re losing touch with reality, the harder and faster reality will catch up with you.It happened in Hong Kong and it will happen in Ukraine too.
And in a few years we’ll be seeing countries turn around towards socialism with Chinese characteristics, because the China’s success isn’t going to be isolated for much longer.
Yeah I remember being on a call the night of the invasion with a Russian comrade, we were both still under the impression they would not invade and it was just more US scaremongering but as soon as they did we both came to the same conclusion, the west would press Ukraine to fight to the end and it would and badly for them. And well, here we are.
“anti-war” estonian confirmed
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Brother you are legitimately such a pathetic human being.
I’m going to make so much money off people like you. Genuinely, thank you. Keep it up.
Grim as it is, I’ve been thinking about putting some money down while guys like this are still the mainstream opinion
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Do you think that sharing news of how the war is going is somehow changing the outcomes? Do you think that not talking about it will somehow change the outcomes? Is this some kind of exercise in wishcasting to your eyes? Are you really so egomaniacal as to believe that people could only possibly disagree with you if they’re being paid to do so?
No, but I think you and your compatriots pretty much exclusively parrot the Kremlin’s talking points, with articles posted from American sources to cover the connection. I don’t know who you’re trying to convince because these posts are routinely heavily downvoted, but they just keep coming, and your buddies brigade anyone that dissents.
you and your compatriots pretty much exclusively parrot the Kremlin’s talking points
Kremlin talking points is when you point out who is clearly winning the war
with articles posted from American sources to cover the connection
Even when it’s American media saying it, it’s Kremlin talking points. Unfalsifiable orthodoxy. You’re operating on religious belief dude
. I don’t know who you’re trying to convince because these posts are routinely heavily downvoted
“The fact that people are currently mad at you for saying this proves it’s wrong, just like when Saddam Hussein totally had WMD”. I know it sucks to have your bubble burst, but just because you want something to be true, that doesn’t make it true. These posts are also heavily upvoted, but of course that doesn’t count. When people agree with US propaganda, it’s totally organic. When people disagree, it’s because of a shadowy foreign influence operation. Again, you are working off of essentially a religious faith, and if it were 2003 you would be calling me a Saddam lover.
your buddies brigade anyone that dissents.
Arguing on a thread that comes up on your own page is now brigading. Anything to give yourself permission to ignore perspectives that aren’t sanctioned by capitalist media. In two months time you’ll be calling everyone Venezuelan bots for being against that imperial venture. The common denominator is a burning desire never to admit fault, almost like a political narcissism: any dissent is because of a conspiracy against you.
Comrade, do you really think I’m reading all that?
See? Like a toddler refusing to eat vegetables. You put on the appearance of being high-minded and caring about truth, but when it comes time to engage with any kind of dissent, you shut down and become a sullen child. What you actually care about is preserving your illusions in the face of cold reality.
Why would I ever waste more than a second trying to argue with you?
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Remind me again whose flag flies over Bakhmut?
But have you tried crying about it?
