I think one of the reasons things are as bad as they are is almost no one engages with things with which they disagree. I’d be surprised if many folks on Lemmy had several good friends who voted (or would have) for trump.
In this case, how many folks have had a good honest conversation with someone whom they respect who also vehemently disagrees with them about socialism? Probably next to zero.
We instead substitute the worst takes from the “other” side and then generalize it about everyone with whom we disagree.
While there’s some amount of separation and avoidance, it is also interesting that we have publicly available polling (sometimes with open ended questions!) and data which is likewise ignored/not referenced. Instead we see people asking in places like this.
I think it is also worth noting that capitalism/socialism isn’t actually the biggest thing for most Trump voters. A solid portion care about very different issues, and simply do not care about the economic theory. We have a 2 party system in the US (and many places use winner-take-all elections), so any of a dozen issues could be the single issue that matters for a particular person.
capitalism/socialism isn’t actually the biggest thing for most Trump voters
Oh absolutely, especially at the Presidential level. I just meant it as a simple shorthand for folks with whom we disagree.
Though, on one that I’d argue was more a referendum on more or less socialism, I’d imagine the same was true in NYC, I’d guess the number of people who voted Mamdani and had close Cuomo voting friends would be pretty small, though I admittedly haven’t looked for much data on that.
Also, great use of polling. I just wish the Dems could take it and run on the shit with which everyone agrees instead of getting bogged down in online culture war fights.
Ah, your point is understood. Thank you. The NYC mayoral race is a good example too.
At one time I understood why no party can run on common sense in truth, though I forget the argument now. I know parties exist first to win elections, and only secondarily to change things. But I don’t see how that stops the Dems from running an extremely ‘common-sense-reform’ campaign.
I think one of the reasons things are as bad as they are is almost no one engages with things with which they disagree. I’d be surprised if many folks on Lemmy had several good friends who voted (or would have) for trump.
In this case, how many folks have had a good honest conversation with someone whom they respect who also vehemently disagrees with them about socialism? Probably next to zero.
We instead substitute the worst takes from the “other” side and then generalize it about everyone with whom we disagree.
While there’s some amount of separation and avoidance, it is also interesting that we have publicly available polling (sometimes with open ended questions!) and data which is likewise ignored/not referenced. Instead we see people asking in places like this.
I think it is also worth noting that capitalism/socialism isn’t actually the biggest thing for most Trump voters. A solid portion care about very different issues, and simply do not care about the economic theory. We have a 2 party system in the US (and many places use winner-take-all elections), so any of a dozen issues could be the single issue that matters for a particular person.
Oh absolutely, especially at the Presidential level. I just meant it as a simple shorthand for folks with whom we disagree.
Though, on one that I’d argue was more a referendum on more or less socialism, I’d imagine the same was true in NYC, I’d guess the number of people who voted Mamdani and had close Cuomo voting friends would be pretty small, though I admittedly haven’t looked for much data on that.
Also, great use of polling. I just wish the Dems could take it and run on the shit with which everyone agrees instead of getting bogged down in online culture war fights.
Ah, your point is understood. Thank you. The NYC mayoral race is a good example too.
At one time I understood why no party can run on common sense in truth, though I forget the argument now. I know parties exist first to win elections, and only secondarily to change things. But I don’t see how that stops the Dems from running an extremely ‘common-sense-reform’ campaign.