Fair enough - I don’t really know what are the numbers of Jewish People who already lived in the territory of Palestine that was became Israel at the time of the formation of that country.

This info is all I found some time ago because I was curious.

I knew that a lot of people from Russia had emigrated to Israel but the actual number was very surprising when I found out.

But yeah, either way we both agree on the core point which is that a large majority of Israelis are not descendants from people affected by the Holocaust.

Source (at the Jewish Virtual Library)

Maybe you should tell them they’re “factually wrong”.

because nearly 100 years ago someone else did it to their people and now they’re saying “it’s our turn.”

Not even close.

Most Israelis by a large margin are descendants of people who came from Russia, not Western Europe.

Most Israelis by a large margin are either descendants of people who came from Russia, or already lived in the territory of Palestine when Israel was formed, not descendants of people from Western Europe.

Only a small fraction of Israelis are descendants of people affected by the Holocaust, much less of Holocaust survivors.

There is no such thing as a “Jewish Hive Mind” and the only thing these Jews share with the Jews who were victims of the Holocaust is having the same religion, nothing else - not principles, not ethics, not morals, not empathy with victims of extreme racism, not even most of their culture: just because somebody also uses a kippah doesn’t mean the think like you.

The Holocaust in Israel is nothing more than a tool used by the present day Nazi-like ideology that runs that place to induce collective fear amongst Jews because it’s much more easy to spread extreme racist hate amongst people who live in fear because of their ethnicity.

This explains why, rather than learning from the Holocaust to empathise with the victims of such things (which would be a natural thing for the descendants of the victims of the Holocaust to learn from the experiences of their parents and grandparents), most people in Israel have instead learned extreme racist hate for those who don’t look like them and who stand in the way of what they are told “is necessary make Jews safe”.

The way the memory of the Holocaust is used in Israel is a complete total shit show of Racism and Propaganda that has massivelly distorted the real thing to serve the objectives of the Nazi-like ideology which is Zionism.

I think that if you look around (just look at things like ChatControl, ICE in the US and the support for the Genocidal White Colonialist state of Israel in most of the West) we in the “developed” West are fast moving backwards and becoming more like Russia - more surveillance, more authoritarianist use of force, more corruption, more racism, more imperialism, a more oligarchic economic system, more concentration of power, more inequality.

Even in a perfect World were common Russians accepted it with open arms, I’m not so sure an occupation of Russia by Western nations would ultimatelly end in them “developing” towards Western Standards rather than in Western nations finishing regressing towards Russian Standards.

The serfs will work harder if they are made to believe their voice counts and when the serfs work harder the Owner Class makes more money.

The irony of the descendants of immigrants into North America trying to detail Native Americans as immigrants is trully world-beating.

Theoretically the sites would have to block all IP addresses of all cloud providers, including massive ones such as Amazon AWS and Microsoft Azure, because people in Wisconsin can just run VPN Server software - which is side of the VPN were the network connections exit the encrypted tunnel and enter the Internet - in a container or virtual machine inside one those to have their own personal (or shared with whomever they want) VPN.

Similarly they would have to block all exit IPs of most companies because somebody in Winsconsin might be using the VPN of the company remotelly go to their company network and via that network access those sites and which point the connection will probably appear as originating from one of the company’s routers because of NAT.

The way the VPN technology works, theoretically every single IP address on the internet might be an exit point of a VPN which is being used by somebody in Winsconsin to access one of those sites, since one can even run VPN Server software on a mobile phone or Raspberry Pi.

Theoreticaly those sites have to block every single IP address which might directly or indirectly be used that way.

This law is completelly insane.

Given that the only way for those websites to block VPN traffic is to block the IP addresses of all known VPN exit points, what you would see is first the commercial VPN providers regularly rotating those IP addresses of their VPN server exit points, and second people simply setting up their own VPN servers software in rented VPS machines in cloud providers anywhere in the World to run their own personal VPN.

You don’t really need a full blown remote session, just a VPN server in a machine (physical or virtual) with an IP address which isn’t yet blocked by such a site.

Now, the sites might try and block this by only allowing in connections from blocks of addresses which are known to belong to ISPs (which would theoretically only be direct connections from individuals, so not using a VPN), but that’s way less reliable than merelly lists of IP addresses of the VPN servers of big providers, plus it would block thing such as the entirety of Amazon AWS.

Ok, so basically when your computer uses a VPN it just connects to a VPN server over the Internet using an encrypted TCP/IP or UDP/IP connection. On your computer side all your connections to the Internet just get shoved into that encrypted tunel instead of going directly into the whole wide world from your own network connection - so nobody but that server sees those connections - whilst on the VPN server side they’re recieved from that encrypted tunel and then exit to the whole wide world from that VPN server as if they’re connections initiated by that server not by your own machine, so to the whole world they look like connections coming from the VPN server machine.

Nations with nation-wide firewalls can try and block VPN by blocking the actual encrypted network connections to VPN servers (there are ways to recognize those, but there also ways to disguise them), but for websites to block them (which is what this legislation demands) the websites have to block the actual VPN servers since the websites can only see connections to them which seem to originate in those servers, not traffic elsewhere on the Internet such as the encrypted connections from VPN customers to VPN servers.

Now, there are lists of the IP addresses of the exit points of VPN providers (generally the VPN server internet address), which are the IP addresses were the traffic of somebody using that VPN enters the Internet, so to try to comply with this legislation those sites would start by blocking all traffic from any of those IP addresses - remember those websites don’t know were the traffic coming from a VPN server to that website really comes from, so they can’t tell traffic from people in Wisconsin using that VPN server from traffic from people elsewhere using it, hence have to block everything from it to catch everybody from Winsonsin.

This would affect everybody anywhere in the World using those exit points of those VPN providers.

Then there’s the problem that the legislation applies to all VPNs, not just commercial VPN providers serving retail customers, meaning that the websites would also theoretically have to block VPN servers from business VPNs (and given how the networks of many large companies work, that might mean blocking the entire company) as well as things like schools using VPNs and, even more entertaining, VPNs set up by individuals by, for example, renting a Virtual Private Server or physical server and installing a Linux there running their own VPN server software or even installing the VPN server software on something like Amazon AWS or Microsoft Azure, which means they might have to block every single IP address of any provider of servers space anywhere in the World (as any Wisconsian could, theoretically, over the Internet rent a cheap VPS in, say, Malasia, and install a Linux with running the VPN server software in it) as well as of all AWS and Azure servers since again any Wisconsian could theoretically run VPN server software hosted in one of those providers.

The whole things is insane as fuck and would have some trully fucked up implications for any website that tried to comply, as well as for anybody anywhere in the world using VPNs who might want to access such sites.

If I understood it correctly, per that legislation and given how the technology works, adult sites would have to block everybody coming to them from a known VPN exit point, not matter where the user actually is (because a site can’t really tell were a user actually is when they’re behind a VPN) to comply with it, meaning that it would impact everybody everywhere in the World using a VPN.

De facto Wisconcin’s legilslature is trying to imposed their will not only on those who live in Wisconsin, not only on those who live anywhere in the US but on those who live anywhere in World.

This specific AGI wasn’t really intelligent…

Of course, if that’s like in the last Crash, it relies on the Government saving their counterparties so that they can pay them, like the Obama Administration saved AGI so that Goldman Sachs could make lots of money from the Crash as that company was their main counterparty.

Remember the Dark Ages?

Things can actually go back, A LOT, if a collapse spreads to a broader society which is weakened by massive inequality and incompetent power elites fully in pillaging mode, were it becomes structural.

And don’t get me started on what happens to a nation that’s the dominant nation of an era, at the end of their Imperial period, which is where the US is at the moment.

It’s just very unlikely to happen in the lifetime of anybody (so people are prone to the falacy of thinking “this will never happen”), but definitelly happens as History shows us.

Will it get that bad? No idea.

Can it? Absolutelly.

Them making their own space actually lets us much more easily reduce our exposure to them - without their space we get them everywhere and each of us have to ban such users individuals to avoid their poison, whilst if they’re congregated in a server we can just ban that server and/or its forums.

In terms of the NAZI bar metaphor, this is more like the NAZIS setting up their own bar and congregating there rather than trying to take over other bars - everybody else can very easilly avoid even looking at the NAZI bar, much less going there and listening to them spreading their ideology - yeah, by default the sound of their activities does leak to the street, but in Lemmy we’re the ones who can chose to close the door, not them.

Compare that with, for example, how the Zionists captured news@lemmy.world and even up to a level the server itself, by seeking moderation and admin positions there: subverting an existing large traffic forum and the biggest Lemmy instance is way much more pernicious than what the other kind of NAZI are doing by setting up their own - easily avoided - corner.

The Cult Of Agile with its Holy Practices that Must Be Done without actual logical and well thought about reasons (instead, the reason are things like “It’s What It Says In This Agile Holy Book” and/or “That’s What I Saw Other Agile People Do”), is not at all the same as the class of Software Development Processes called Agile.

Then again, Software Development Processes are the kind of thing you tackle at the level of Technical Architect, and since there aren’t really that many genuine Technical Architects (with the actual chops, rather than merelly 5-10 years experience in a single kind of development environment and a title obtained from a company that gives fancy titles as “promotion” instead of a proper salary raise) around, Agile is mostly just blindly followed without true understanding of what it does, what it doesn’t do, how that is does it or why it cannot do it, and thus were and how it actually adds value and were it doesn’t.