Ok, if you find any info on that please post it. I’m going to be on the look out for it and do the same if I find it.

I’ve had a plex pass since before 2023 so this doesn’t affect me either way.

But 2023 doesn’t sound right for when the grandfathering ended. I do not doubt that there is an end date for grandfathering but for that to have happened in 2023 sounds punitive towards their users and not a good long term strategy.

Sure, enshittification and all that. I don’t doubt greed is the motive but they had to have known by ending grandfathering 2 years before implementing a policy like this would stir a user revolt and strengthen their competition. Especially with all the increased enshittification they have pushed out over those 2 years.

When did/does the grandfathering period end?

I hadn’t heard that aspect of it before and would like to know more.

Thank you for the info!

I believe if the server hosting the content has a plex pass then end users are allowed to stream from it without any additional subscription or membership. At least that is how it was several months ago when they announced this.

But you are right, even with the above being true, there will still be a non-insignificant portion of users paying to stream from servers.

You’re funny.

You pose no threat because your position is transparent. Your argument here relies on saying what isn’t ok for you without stating your what you would prefer instead which leaves you open to moving the goalposts to wherever you want them to be.

You don’t have a position in this discussion beyond Apple bad for “reasons” and puffing out your chest. It is all air, smoke and mirrors. You ask questions as your argument and when they are answered you redefine what the entire discussion is about. This is an argumentative method used by children.

Do better, because I am smarter than you; I can see that any discussion with you is a waste of time.

I guess you have your own definition of arbitrary because 7 years for in house support of their hardware isn’t decided on a whim or by chance but seems well reasoned.

But I can see by your shelf life comment that you have no intention of actually discussing anything and are just trolling so, goodbye!

Apple seems to do this with most of their new product lines when introduced.

The AppleWatch started being geared towards a health device around revision 3 or 4.

The iPhone was a camera/iPod/Phone multi device by the iPhone 4.

AppleTV was gathering market share in the tv device field for several years before Apple introduced their own streaming platform.

It took the iPad a few iterations before it settled into having drawing/art/media capabilities.

The Vision Pro is a dev kit of sorts as Apple measures an emerging market of hardware and user preferences while they figure out what Apple customers would really want out of such a device. No one is forcing anyone to buy a $3500 Vision Pro; some buyers were disappointed that the headset wasn’t as polished as they what they expect from Apple and some knew what they were buying.

I own two Vision Pros for business and personal use. I have had many VR headsets over the years, the tech has gotten much better over time. I was interested in seeing what Apple could do in the space. The hardware was slick but visionOS 1.0 was spartan and lacking. It has been fun to see how much better the software has become in each iteration. Nowadays I use my Vision Pro for at least an hour or two each day. It is incredibly useful in my daily routines.

The initial news cycles about it were negative and it is easy to see how and why, people projected onto it what they wanted it to be. The naysayers thought it was too expensive, and for them it was, the Apple zealots wanted it to be everything and more, they were disappointed, and the influencers wanted a drama. I think it was all of those things but I don’t think the product ever really flopped. There are plenty of people who own them and use them all the time. I am happy with my purchase and I don’t plan on upgrading to the latest version because the ones I have are fine.

I am interested to see where Apple takes this tech.

If we are being fair, Apple doesn’t arbitrarily decide when something becomes obsolete, it is at 7 years for them when they retire hardware from support, that covers software as well.

Also, MacBook Pros have a longer shelf life on average than PC counterparts, unless it is corporate not many Mac users are upgrading their hardware every year. I believe the average is every 3-5 years but I know people who are still using 10+ year old MacBook Airs as their daily driver for personal use.