If you think the majority of people would do things to better society rather than be lazy if they were given handouts…you dont know humanity all too well.
See, I don’t think you’re “being an ass on purpose”. I think you are either just an ass or purposely being difficult to no productive end.
Im being an ass on purpose, because these are real world arguments you need to convince real people of why capitalism is actually bad, because many people are not convinced it is.
I’m not sure which sentences are you trying to be an ass and which are legitimate ignorance. You literally said you don’t disagree? I’m happy to try to counter ignorance, even feigned ignorance, but it is a waste of time if you trying to be an ass or are just going to reply “Well I know that but…”
I dont disagree. The amount of people on lemmy that say they just wanna sit on their ass and smoke weed is quite high, and im convinced if they had their way all our infrastructure would crumble in a week (no one thinks about the sewer/wastewater, the electricity, and the food plants that need to keep running for your comfortable lazy life)
We would need a way to keep people working crap jobs, while also supporting them. We cant all be influencers and movie stars. Someone has to shovel shit.
Well…
Socialism isn’t “everyone gets free shit and smokes weed all day”. It’s usually something along the lines of public ownership of the means of production under democratic control. Like, the factory is owned by the people who work at the factory instead of some rich guy that collects a check despite contributing no labor.
The shit people worry about is actually happening under capitalism, it’s just they get to pretend they deserve it because their parents were rich, or they got lucky, or they scammed someone (like their workers).
If they are “vehemently right wing Trump super capitalist/authoritarians” then they aren’t going to listen and, as I said, you achieve nothing but antagonism.
“I totally agree with you but I’m going to pop your bubble and remind you that people who disagree with you to the extreme offer ignorant talking points and won’t agree with you. I totally agree with your answers to but those people don’t.”
It sounds like you are trying to demoralize the left while pretending to be an ally. What are you hoping to accomplish?