After teasing a plan by President Donald Trump to extend Affordable Care Act premium subsidies—currently on track to end within weeks—the White House has indefinitely delayed the announcement under pressure from congressional Republicans, MS NOW reported on Monday.

The last-minute change of plan signals the GOP’s priorities: the party has fought to cut or repeal the ACA since it entered law in 2010, and was uncompromising in opposing the subsidies during the record-breaking government shutdown that ended earlier in November.

The last thing Republican elected officials want to see, the Center for American Progress’ Bobby Kagan posted on social media Monday, is a deal that protects ACA subsidies.

“That’s why they didn’t extend them in OBBBA, and that’s why they kept calling them a ‘December problem’ even though open enrollment began on November 1,” Kagan, the group’s senior director for federal budget policy, wrote.

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    Jesus Christ! There is no public entity providing healthcare under the affordable care act, the subsidies allow poor people to purchase private health insurance. It’s literally using tax money to increase instance companies’ customers and profits.

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      There was always going to be somebody getting paid, but the point being public funding provided healthcare to citizens and especially those who needed it most, via medicaid expansion, the subsidies you mentioned, tax deductible plans for those who didn’t qualify, and most importantly banning the discrimination against preexisting conditions.

      You think those insurance companies got paid and nobody got treated? Because stats out there show tens of millions of people gained coverage who had non before because of that bill.

      You people always claim it’s romneycare but then you sit there and spout Republican talking points, talk about dissonance.

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        The difference is that the government is largely cutting checks to private industry with very little regulation.

        Yes. People get healthcare but the private industry just raises prices so long as the blank checks keep coming.

        Same problem in higher education, the more money you inject, the more they slurp up with no regulation on how much they can charge.

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          Great News, reversing Citizen United has always been a core DNC Platform. It was also them who banned corporate finance of elections in the first place in the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 which they had been trying to pass since at least 1995.

          They also tryed to further restrict loose election and corruption regulations with HR 1 For The People Act.

          Sadly the DNC have not had more than 48 senators in over a decade. Thid has demonstrably made everything worse.

          Vote DNC.

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        You think those insurance companies got paid and nobody got treated? Because stats out there show tens of millions of people gained coverage who had non before because of that bill.

        Do you think having insurance is the same as receiving medical care?

        You people always claim it’s romneycare but then you sit there and spout Republican talking points, talk about dissonance.

        What republican talking points did I spout? I want true socialized healthcare without a private for profit company in the middle, no, I don’t think the ACA is good enough.

        But like I said, it relieves enough pain that it keeps people from revolting.

        There was always going to be somebody getting paid

        Now there’s a republican talking point! The doctors should get paid, by the state. The leaches in the health insurance industry shouldn’t, and the assertion that they were “always going to get paid” is peak capitalism.

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            If you hadn’t lost the debate before this, you just did. Any credibility you had, just evaporated.

            People want real health care, not some financial profit scheme that vaguely resembles it, so the government and the industry can say “We gave you health care. It’s expensive, and it doesn’t work very well, but it’s all you’re going to get, so stop whining.”

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            Maybe learn to read a bit, because it’s a matter of definition not of ‘data’. Lmao

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              Maybe stop vehemently denying all of the good that our party has done for us, all the good it can do with more power.

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                Which party? I can’t see where either party has done anything for us. The Dems have done the very bare minimum, if that, and the MAGAs are downright gleefully treasonous and destructive.

                Aside from a very few progressive reps, the American people don’t have anybody standing up for them.

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                    As I look at this country, I can see what’s happening just fine, and BOTH parties share fault, one for being Pure Evil, and the other for being too cowardly to do ANYTHING about it, EVER.

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                Have some dignity. You deserve better than the lowest common denominator “done for you”.

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            My and many others’ lived experience tells us otherwise.

            Where is this data you have? That says people actually use insurance and can afford the deductables?

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              1. Uninsured Rates went down: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8314606/

              2. Medicaid Expansion reduced Mortality Rates: https://www.nber.org/papers/w33719

              3. 27% of the uninsured skipped seeing a doctor due to costs, were more likely to need treatment in the ER: https://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/files/2023-report-economic-well-being-us-households-202405.pdf

              Theres a lot more, too, I could be sitting here pulling up studies all night.

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                What you don’t cite, what you claimed and what I asked you to cite, is how many people don’t skip going to the doctor because of the ACA.

                Not zero, no doubt, that’s my point; it provides enough relief to stifle revolution. No where near 100%, which is what socialized healthcare providers.

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                  It absolutely does show exactly what I claimed an what you asked. Uninsured skip doctors, the ACA reduced uninsured and mortality rates. Literally the thing you just described.

                  If you wanted more than what we got then you would support the DNC who did not have enough votes to pass the public option version nor have even had more than 48 seats in over ten years following.

                  You don’t want that, though. Like you said, you want revolution, no matter how many rights you have to trample or impoverished you have to kill in the process.

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                    What you aren’t getting is that it doesn’t matter if more people are going to the doctor, they still aren’t getting the health care they need.

                    People in other countries are living 4 years longer on average, using the horrible socialized medicine that MAGAs are constantly screaming is going to kill us all.

                    Our wonderful system is killing us 4 years earlier than their evil system. I’m ready to try their evil system.

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                    You’re just reacting, you’re not listening.

                    Uninsured skip doctors, ACA reduced uninsured. There are still too many uninsured. Insured still skip doctors, because deductibles are too high. Health insurance in the US is more accurately bankruptcy insurance, a lot of insured don’t receive sufficient healthcare because they cannot afford anything outside of an annual visit plus regular tests. Anything that needs a specialist is often put off until it’s an emergency.

                    Your citation is irrelevant to what I’m saying.

                    1. "In Q1 2024, the estimated uninsured rate for the full population is 8.2 percent, which corresponds to 27.1 million individuals without insurance. "

                    Note that this is an estimate based on a survey. The ACA doesn’t provide a mechanism to tally the number of insured, and this survey tries to be representative, but could be way under reported.

                    https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/ee0475e44e27daef00155e95a24fd023/nhis-q1-2024-datapoint.pdf#%3A~%3Atext=In+Q1+2024%2C+the+estimated+uninsured+rate%2C300+million+Americans+have+health+insurance+coverage.

                    That’s over 27 million people the ACA leaves behind, because it isn’t a sufficient system for the richest country in the world, where healthcare should be a right.

                    1. “Over the past year, 22% of Americans say they have steered clear of some sort of medical care — including doctor visits, medications, vaccinations, annual exams, screenings, vision checks and routine blood work — because of the expense”

                    Again, once insured, people still skip the doctor because insurance deductables are insanely high.

                    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/nearly-1-in-4-americans-are-skipping-medical-care-because-of-the-cost.html#%3A~%3Atext=Over+the+past+year%2C+22%2Cprescription+drug%2C+according+to+Kaiser.

                    1. “Uninsured adults are more likely to forgo needed care than their insured counterparts. In 2023, nearly half (46.6%) of uninsured adults ages 18 to 64 reported not seeing a doctor or health care professional in the past 12 months compared to 15.6% with private insurance and 14.2% with public coverage.”

                    15% of insured Americans skip the doctor because it’s too expensive.

                    https://www.kff.org/uninsured/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-population/

                    You deserve better than the ACA, you should demand better.

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                All that is bullshit propaganda. No matter what your studies show, the true Bottom Line is that the average lifespan of Americans is about 4 years LESS than other nations, placing us 26th in the world, and the primary reason is a lack of proper health care.

                Our health care system is among the worst in the world, with the ONLY objective being to generate massive, annually- increasing profits. Health care outcomes are simply a result of profit creation, and the success of those outcomes are secondary to profits. In other words, positive outcomes are subordinate to additional profits.

                No matter what your studies say, they don’t change the fact that our health care system sucks, by anyone’s standards.

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                  Our healthcare sucks ass

                  But the point I am making is that it is solely Republicans’ fault and that the DNC has made it substantially better even without the votes needed to bypass filibuster.

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        I think you totally misunderstood what they meant. Take a breath, probably turns out this was just a communication problem.

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          Nope, that user is a frothing at the mouth “the DNC is evil and have never done anything right” extremist.